Returned. Was looking for a pad heavier than RF Indy while still being "pedally". These were heavier, but not quite as protective as RF Ambush, but weren't as pedally as reviews might suggest as while the fabric is mesh, it's heavy mesh. Sizing also runs a tad small, so these weren't going to be comfortable. Not a bad pad as a decent all rounder, but would ideally a bit lighter and bit better placed side coverage.